Grateful Dead Live at Barton Hall on 1977-05-08
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- Publication date
- 1977-05-08 ( check for other copies)
- Topics
- Audience, Jerry Moore, Charlie Miller, 24 bit, Rob Berger
- Collection
- GratefulDead
- Band/Artist
- Grateful Dead
- Resource
- DeadLists Project
Set 1
Minglewood Blues, Loser, El Paso, They Love Each Other, Jack Straw, Deal, Lazy Lightning > Supplication, Brown Eyed Women, Mama Tried, Row Jimmy, Dancin' In The Streets
Set 2
Scarlet Begonias > Fire On The Mountain, Estimated Prophet, Saint Stephen > Not Fade Away > Saint Stephen > Morning Dew
E: One More Saturday Night
Cornell University
Minglewood Blues, Loser, El Paso, They Love Each Other, Jack Straw, Deal, Lazy Lightning > Supplication, Brown Eyed Women, Mama Tried, Row Jimmy, Dancin' In The Streets
Set 2
Scarlet Begonias > Fire On The Mountain, Estimated Prophet, Saint Stephen > Not Fade Away > Saint Stephen > Morning Dew
E: One More Saturday Night
Cornell University
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Covers - Performances of a song with the same name by different artists
Song Title | Versions | Compilations | Covers |
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Minglewood Blues | |||
Loser | |||
El Paso | |||
They Love Each Other | |||
Jack Straw | |||
Deal | |||
Lazy Lightning> | |||
Supplication | |||
Brown Eyed Women | |||
Mama Tried | |||
Row Jimmy | |||
Dancin' In The Streets | |||
take a step back | |||
Scarlet Begonias> | |||
Fire On The Mountain | |||
Estimated Prophet | |||
Saint Stephen> | |||
Not Fade Away> | |||
Saint Stephen> | |||
Morning Dew | |||
One More Saturday Night |
- Addeddate
- 2011-11-12 20:34:44
- Identifier
- gd1977-05-08.ecm33p.moore.berger.miller.117027.flac24
- Location
- Ithaca, NY
- Run time
- 169:26
- Taped by
- Jerry Moore
- Transferred by
- Charlie Miller;Rob Berger
- Type
- sound
- Venue
- Barton Hall
- Year
- 1977
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Reviewer:
Nick512
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April 7, 2023
Subject: Remastered
Subject: Remastered
thanks to aLL for their efforts. it Sounds just exactly right.
Reviewer:
toom613
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September 24, 2018
Subject: In reply to thereal_IMA about the conspiracy theory.
Subject: In reply to thereal_IMA about the conspiracy theory.
I just began listening to your list of the supposed shows you say this recording is spliced together to form. I started with Morning Dew and already I find flaw in your statement because this Morning Dew sounds nothing like the Cow Palace 76 version you claim the Barton hall 77 Morning Dew is. Sorry man you are wrong about this. I will continue to go through each song from each date listed and if I find any to be duplicates I will post again.
Reviewer:
elegantcheese
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March 2, 2018
Subject: two fun audience moments
Subject: two fun audience moments
i noticed that right before it goes into Scarlet Begonias, someone from the audience yells, "play a f'n ..." and he can't finish the sentence because it just rolls into SB.
also at the end of Fire on the Mountain, there is a guy giving the recorder of this show crap for having a microphone
also at the end of Fire on the Mountain, there is a guy giving the recorder of this show crap for having a microphone
Reviewer:
Calastogakid
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December 10, 2017
Subject: One hot show
Subject: One hot show
This whole show is on fire. The Browned Eyed Women is one of the best, and you can't go wrong with that Dancin' in The Streets either. One of my go-to shows if I am ever feelin' down.
Reviewer:
bobbys_shorts
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April 28, 2015
Subject: Dancing in the STREETS!!!
Subject: Dancing in the STREETS!!!
8 mins into the song, the entire band creates a seminal work of body where members and audience become one.
Reviewer:
barreramusic
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January 14, 2014
Subject: This is a great audience source!
Subject: This is a great audience source!
Thank you. This patches the SB quite well. Thanks!
Reviewer:
njpg
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September 7, 2013
Subject: -
Subject: -
It is once again my task to bust a myth...only slightly this time. Don't get me wrong: the second set is a very, very good show; it's just vastly overrated. The first set is definitely not a keeper. Great songs, but played like the band is tired or half asleep. They hit a second wind with St Stephen and everything from that point on was great. I really doubt that this was the best show of the season--I hope not, anyway. It's supposed to be, but I think that has to be hype.
It all sounds terrific. Splendid Miller treatment of what was probably already a killer recording. It can still benefit from a bit of EQing to "soften" some of the high-mid range, but basically awesome.
It all sounds terrific. Splendid Miller treatment of what was probably already a killer recording. It can still benefit from a bit of EQing to "soften" some of the high-mid range, but basically awesome.
Reviewer:
altheaatoldme
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November 13, 2012
Subject: ...
Subject: ...
That Loser solo... oh my god. So good.
Reviewer:
wuz at 77-78 and more
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August 25, 2012
Subject: It snowed 4 reel
Subject: It snowed 4 reel
A mere college freshman, I left my finals studies at Bingo behind and hitchhiked with my buddy Qyr to the Boston garden for 5-7-77, What a kick ass Terrapin! We stuck out our thumbs the next day and headed for Cornell. Many cars around us skidded off the road from late season ice. We arrived at Barton hall just in time to meet up with our fellow Bingos. I had no idea at the time this was such an all time great show. I thought all Dead shows were like this!
We emerged to a snow storm in May
I did well on my finals the next week. I guess it was meant to be!
We emerged to a snow storm in May
I did well on my finals the next week. I guess it was meant to be!
Reviewer:
DMT
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May 8, 2012
Subject: hype
Subject: hype
All time most overhyped show.-- Its a really good show but just another good show. There are many great shows from this month. This one happened to be in wide circulation for many years when the other shows where not. Over the years a legend grew around this show. check out the rest of the month, there are some smoking ones! This recording is great though
Reviewer:
thereal_IMA
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May 8, 2012
Subject: SHARING FROM A MESSAGE BOARD
Subject: SHARING FROM A MESSAGE BOARD
I understand why most people think that 5/8/77 was real as can be. It's widely considered to be the holy grail of GD shows. And if it was an actual, real show, it would be just that. But the fact is, that it was a HOAX perpetrated through a joint effort of the US Department of Defense and the CIA. And this is nothing new. My uncle served in ‘Nam with one of the guys that were actually *in* the CIA experiment. Hell, if you don't believe me, it's even on the archive!
There's been a lot of talk lately about the legendary fake show on 5/8/77. I've kept my silence on the subject for 22 years ... now it's finally time to come clean on the whole subject.
The whole idea began back in late 1969/early 1970. The Department of Defense and the CIA were very disappointed by the way the Vietnam War was progressing. Not only were we losing but, more importantly, the US public did not approve of the war and, worse yet, weren't believing everything the military said about what was happening. This was an unprecedented event. Every other recent war was viewed positively by the public ... or at least with apathy in the case of Korea. Something had to be done. They decided to take a page from the Soviets and experiment with mind control. Together with Disney and a fledgling computer company called Microsoft, they set out to prove that brainwashing could really work on the very people who opposed
them: the hippies.
It isn't widely known but Cornell was actually the second test of these mind control procedures. The first occurred in mid-1975 and was a dismal failure. 2 major mistakes were made. First, they picked the one time that the Dead were not touring. This created all sorts of problems with the subject audience. The more serious mistake was in not updating the criteria of the experiment. Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969 version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. The
subjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a true miracle.
Unfortunately, no tapes have been found from this first experiment. That's a real shame because the version of Dark Star-> St Stephen-> Eleven-> Lovelight used was supposedly the best ever. After a few drinks, the original scientists still speak in awe about the music heard that day.
By Nov 1977, everyone was ready for the second test. This time, they learned from their mistakes. A small group of college students were hired to attend shows from 1976 through 1977. Our job was to collect tapes of the Dead's performances, select which tunes to use, and to
help identify subjects for the upcoming experiment. The location and date were chosen with equal care. It was a off-day during the tour and the location close enough to the real concerts to be believed. Of more
importance was the late snowfall that day. That unusual and easily confirmed event provided the glue that would hold the implanted memories together. Even now 22 years later, people "remembering" that concert use almost identical words to describe leaving the show.
Overall, the experiment was a great success. Of course, some people were given slightly different memories. Some, like Teddy Goodbear, "remember" taping the show and were even provided "Audience" tapes to further cement the hoax. Still others remember getting "horribly smashed" up front. None of this actually occurred.
A week after the "concert" experiment, a 2nd test was done on the town of Cornell itself. In order to perfect this hoax, the town itself must also be convinced that the concert took place. Disney had acquired owner- ship of all the local TV and radio stations through dummy corporations. Using special chips developed by Microsoft, they played sublimbminal messages to every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius of Barton Hall. For the most part, this programming still holds today although some people did prove resistant to the message.
As far as the source of the music, for the most part the list posted by "brew ziggins" is correct. The only mystery remaining is the Scarlet-> Fire. That was actually performed by the Dead specifically for this experiment. Since Jerry worked for the CIA, it was easy to convince him and the rest of the band to go along. Plus he liked the idea of "pranking" a large group of people like this. The fabled 2/6/77 "take a step back" rehearsal tape is also from material taped for these experiments.
The soundboard tapes in circulation were leaked by Betty O'Connell who
edited the original tapes. I don't know if it was just a coincidence or not, but they were leaked at about the same time as the tapes recorded by Betty Cantor were found. In any event, they became part of the so-called "Betty Boards". Leaking these tapes also provided the first cracks in the hoax to appear since the tapes were distributed to people who were not in the experiment and who knew that no show was performed that day. It was necessary to obtain their silence through blackmail, bribery and in extreme cases, mind control itself. That's also how this "show" came to be listed in all the popular Dead show guides like DeadBase.
So what's happened to these mind control techniques used in this experiment? Microsoft has used this power to become one of the biggest, most influential companies in history. They sure didn't become that big by providing quality products. It was used to shape public reaction to the Gulf War. It's also clear that George Bush never understood the full power of these methods. . There are also indications that this technology might explain the otherwise unbelievable popularity of rap music.
That's the whole story.
"BARTON HALL, ITHACA, NY 5/8/77 -- The Show That Never Happened"
Track listing Actual Source
------------ ---------------
1.Minglewood Blues [4:47] Winterland 3/20/77
2.Loser [7:30] Springfield 4/23/77
3.El Paso [4:22] Chicago 5/13/77
4.They Love Each Other [6:59] Lakeland 5/21/77
5.Jack Straw [6:00] Tempe 10/6/77
6.Deal [5:43] St. Paul 5/11/77
7.Lazy Lightnin' [3:29] > St. Louis 5/15/77
8.Supplication [4:21] "
9.Brown-Eyed Women [5:12] Winterland 6/8/77
10.Mama Tried [2:37] Seattle 9/29/77
11.Row Jimmy [10:52] Fox, Atlanta 5/19/77
12.Dancin' in the Streets [15:43] Pembroke Pines 5/22/77 (DP3)
Set II:
13.Scarlet Begonias [9:14] > ???
14.Fire on the Mountain [15:21] ???
15.Estimated Prophet [8:32] Passaic NJ 4/27/77
16.St. Stephen [4:43] > Mostly Passaic NJ 6/18/76
17.Not Fade Away [16:22] > with some tricky splicing of the
18.St. Stephen [1:53] > middle of an unidentified NFA
19.Morning Dew [13:36] Cow Palace 12/31/76
Encore:
20.One More Saturday Night [4:54] Springfield 4/23/77
There's been a lot of talk lately about the legendary fake show on 5/8/77. I've kept my silence on the subject for 22 years ... now it's finally time to come clean on the whole subject.
The whole idea began back in late 1969/early 1970. The Department of Defense and the CIA were very disappointed by the way the Vietnam War was progressing. Not only were we losing but, more importantly, the US public did not approve of the war and, worse yet, weren't believing everything the military said about what was happening. This was an unprecedented event. Every other recent war was viewed positively by the public ... or at least with apathy in the case of Korea. Something had to be done. They decided to take a page from the Soviets and experiment with mind control. Together with Disney and a fledgling computer company called Microsoft, they set out to prove that brainwashing could really work on the very people who opposed
them: the hippies.
It isn't widely known but Cornell was actually the second test of these mind control procedures. The first occurred in mid-1975 and was a dismal failure. 2 major mistakes were made. First, they picked the one time that the Dead were not touring. This created all sorts of problems with the subject audience. The more serious mistake was in not updating the criteria of the experiment. Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969 version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. The
subjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a true miracle.
Unfortunately, no tapes have been found from this first experiment. That's a real shame because the version of Dark Star-> St Stephen-> Eleven-> Lovelight used was supposedly the best ever. After a few drinks, the original scientists still speak in awe about the music heard that day.
By Nov 1977, everyone was ready for the second test. This time, they learned from their mistakes. A small group of college students were hired to attend shows from 1976 through 1977. Our job was to collect tapes of the Dead's performances, select which tunes to use, and to
help identify subjects for the upcoming experiment. The location and date were chosen with equal care. It was a off-day during the tour and the location close enough to the real concerts to be believed. Of more
importance was the late snowfall that day. That unusual and easily confirmed event provided the glue that would hold the implanted memories together. Even now 22 years later, people "remembering" that concert use almost identical words to describe leaving the show.
Overall, the experiment was a great success. Of course, some people were given slightly different memories. Some, like Teddy Goodbear, "remember" taping the show and were even provided "Audience" tapes to further cement the hoax. Still others remember getting "horribly smashed" up front. None of this actually occurred.
A week after the "concert" experiment, a 2nd test was done on the town of Cornell itself. In order to perfect this hoax, the town itself must also be convinced that the concert took place. Disney had acquired owner- ship of all the local TV and radio stations through dummy corporations. Using special chips developed by Microsoft, they played sublimbminal messages to every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius of Barton Hall. For the most part, this programming still holds today although some people did prove resistant to the message.
As far as the source of the music, for the most part the list posted by "brew ziggins" is correct. The only mystery remaining is the Scarlet-> Fire. That was actually performed by the Dead specifically for this experiment. Since Jerry worked for the CIA, it was easy to convince him and the rest of the band to go along. Plus he liked the idea of "pranking" a large group of people like this. The fabled 2/6/77 "take a step back" rehearsal tape is also from material taped for these experiments.
The soundboard tapes in circulation were leaked by Betty O'Connell who
edited the original tapes. I don't know if it was just a coincidence or not, but they were leaked at about the same time as the tapes recorded by Betty Cantor were found. In any event, they became part of the so-called "Betty Boards". Leaking these tapes also provided the first cracks in the hoax to appear since the tapes were distributed to people who were not in the experiment and who knew that no show was performed that day. It was necessary to obtain their silence through blackmail, bribery and in extreme cases, mind control itself. That's also how this "show" came to be listed in all the popular Dead show guides like DeadBase.
So what's happened to these mind control techniques used in this experiment? Microsoft has used this power to become one of the biggest, most influential companies in history. They sure didn't become that big by providing quality products. It was used to shape public reaction to the Gulf War. It's also clear that George Bush never understood the full power of these methods. . There are also indications that this technology might explain the otherwise unbelievable popularity of rap music.
That's the whole story.
"BARTON HALL, ITHACA, NY 5/8/77 -- The Show That Never Happened"
Track listing Actual Source
------------ ---------------
1.Minglewood Blues [4:47] Winterland 3/20/77
2.Loser [7:30] Springfield 4/23/77
3.El Paso [4:22] Chicago 5/13/77
4.They Love Each Other [6:59] Lakeland 5/21/77
5.Jack Straw [6:00] Tempe 10/6/77
6.Deal [5:43] St. Paul 5/11/77
7.Lazy Lightnin' [3:29] > St. Louis 5/15/77
8.Supplication [4:21] "
9.Brown-Eyed Women [5:12] Winterland 6/8/77
10.Mama Tried [2:37] Seattle 9/29/77
11.Row Jimmy [10:52] Fox, Atlanta 5/19/77
12.Dancin' in the Streets [15:43] Pembroke Pines 5/22/77 (DP3)
Set II:
13.Scarlet Begonias [9:14] > ???
14.Fire on the Mountain [15:21] ???
15.Estimated Prophet [8:32] Passaic NJ 4/27/77
16.St. Stephen [4:43] > Mostly Passaic NJ 6/18/76
17.Not Fade Away [16:22] > with some tricky splicing of the
18.St. Stephen [1:53] > middle of an unidentified NFA
19.Morning Dew [13:36] Cow Palace 12/31/76
Encore:
20.One More Saturday Night [4:54] Springfield 4/23/77
Reviewer:
Mr. Charlie - Lambertville
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April 21, 2012
Subject: Bogus?
Subject: Bogus?
Try iTunes for something less bogus.
Reviewer:
madwino
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March 22, 2012
Subject: masterful
Subject: masterful
Dancing In the Streets!!!
Best Scarlet-Fire
Best Scarlet-Fire
Reviewer:
Prof FX Gumby
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November 18, 2011
Subject: nice spit polish
Subject: nice spit polish
Very nice upgrade of a (the?) classic show. This is going to replace my earlier AUD in my collection. Though the sbd was my college soundtrack, I prefer the aud now!
Reviewer:
gaZeebo
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November 15, 2011
Subject: fake show
Subject: fake show
I wish the admins here would get their act together and delete this bogus show, like the fake 2/12/70 one
Reviewer:
grifftrain2000
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November 14, 2011
Subject: 1977-5-8
Subject: 1977-5-8
What do you mean "for a show that never really happened"?
Reviewer:
laptaper
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November 14, 2011
Subject: Great recording...
Subject: Great recording...
...for a show that never really happened. ;-)
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